After my last post, waxing lyrical about cruelty, male chastity and your sweet, innocent and virginal host’s tendency to evil, a couple of things came up which are remarkably interconnected.
Synchronicity?
Nah, just coincidence. The universe is a big interesting place, but it really isn’t interested in me. It’s not even hostile – just supremely indifferent.
Susan’s Pet commented (on a different post to the “cruelty” one):
“Is the last time your man allowed to orgasm truly the last? Would you feel bad if he really could not do it again because of external circumstances?”
And D. from Oz emailed me and said (among other things):
“ […] why do you think John likes it more when you’re cruel than when you are kind??”
Good questions.
As I mentioned in my last post, John has addressed this in this week’s newsletter, and I’m wondering about adding another section to the free guide.
But in the meantime, here’s my take on it, from a woman’s and keholder’s point of view.
I think for most men the pleasure of male chastity and orgasm denial is two fold. This is perhaps a bit simplistic, but I think it’s broadly true from what I can gather having talked to some of them and corresponded with many more.
The first pleasure is physical. Whilst men love their orgasms, it’s also true they’re generally too brief and not a pleasure they can easily savour. Left entirely to his own devices it’s hard for most men to take it slowly (hence the number of emails I get from younger guys who tell me they’re too busy masturbating to go out and find a real woman. True).
By locking a man in male chastity a woman gives him the gift of what is in effect an orgasm that takes days, weeks, months and perhaps even longer to come to fruition.
For example, if I let John come at Christmas, then he’ll have been working up to it for more than 7 months .
The second pleasure is psychological and is perhaps necessarily deeper, more complex and more difficult for us women to understand – the man relinquishing control. Maybe so many men love this because society has conditioned them to be tough, strong, confident and always in control of themselves and the situation.
Now, to answer the questions.
If John couldn’t orgasm because of injury or disease, then yes, I’d feel bad for him – because part of the pleasure in having his orgasms controlled as part of male chastity is knowing there’s a chance he’s going to get one at any time or at least some time in the future. If the possibility is removed entirely, then so is the anticipation, and the anticipation is, to some, all.
And why does John like it the crueller I am?
That probably has a complex answer, too, but one simple part of it is in being cruel I am generally either increasing the anticipation by promising a longer period of denial, or upping the intensity by getting him closer and closer to the point of no-return.
Often it’s both of these together.
And then, of course, the crueller I am the less control he has which deepens the pleasure he gets from relinquishing control per se. Male chastity is one big bloody positive feedback loop…
I think this is what they call “win win”, isn’t it?
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That sounds just about right to me!
Does he really think he is going to orgasm on Christmas day!All those calls and emails & texts to make to freinds and relatives.All those coming over to see you and vice versa.
You will want to make his rogasm special after waiting so long in enforced male chastity.Time will need to be devoted to it.
I think subconsciously you both know that and he is looking at boxing day as realistically the earliest time.
Another thing how often do you personally discuss his progress towards your goal and whether he wants out every month half way?
Which shows how little you know about us, Femsup. Don’t be so presumptuous. We don’t visit anyone on Christmas day, nor do they visit us. We prefer it to ourselves.
We talk about male chastity all the time, but while there’s no reason to change my plans (meaning he’s not ill, injured or suffering genuine distress of any kind), there’s nothing to discuss in terms of his release.
He’s waiting until I say. If that’s Christmas, it’s Christmas.
If it’s next May, it’s next May.
If it’s forevever, it’s forever.
The same is true about his being allowed to enter me or not. I haven’t decided yet.
He’s waiting until I say. If that’s Christmas, it’s Christmas.
If it’s next May, it’s next May.
If it’s forevever, it’s forever.
The same is true about his being allowed to enter me or not. I haven’t decided yet.
This is such a delicious combination of absolute and maybe.
Yes. And I hasten to add, John agrees with the situation and the “rules” 100%.
The “no entry” idea is gaining some serious ground.
Re: no entry — the more I love something, the more erotic I find its denial. I was once denied seeing or touching my love’s breasts. Plenty of entry, plenty of coming. Just a month when I had no access to the part of her I loved most. I went wild.
Some of us are kinky to the n’th degree, including me. Nevertheless, we neeed to evaluate our objectives and methods. You say, “…For example, if I let John come at Christmas, then he’ll have been working up to it for more than 7 months …”
What if I paraphrase that as “… For example, if I let John eat a meal at Christmas, then he’ll have been working up to it for more than 7 months ….?”
I am kinky, and willing to to a lot of things including chastity and denial. The problem I have with denial is that it is open ended even if it has a date at the end. You just never know when it ends on its own.
I have a female friend who had a male friend. They were close, but never had sex in the true sense of meaining: penetration of the vagina. I don’t know the reason for their abstinnence, I did not approve it, but then, they did not ask for my approval.
He died. Now there is only one person who might feel guilty, for the other is dead.
Pet, I don’t understand. So what if you do?
<i>… because part of the pleasure in having his orgasms controlled as part of male chastity is knowing there’s a chance he’s going to get one at any time or at least some time in the future. If the possibility is removed entirely, then so is the anticipation, and the anticipation is, to some, all.</i>
In other words, “Jam tomorrow, jam yesterday, but never jam today.” This is why Mrs. Edge and I do the same thing – if there’s a schedule, then who is really in control?
<i>And why does John like it the crueller I am?</i>
Wait, he wants you to be a little donut?
Is it possible that John might not want to cum at Christmas? I mean, having gone sooo long, is it not conceivable that while desperately wanting that elusive orgasm he might not want to give up the feeling of desperation and need?
It’s not comparable in any meaningful sense, but recently I was allowed to cum after ten days (which is not that long I know, although it seemed a while to me!) and if I had been given a choice in the matter I am almost certain I would have asked to continue the process.
As it happened I had a pretty mindblowing orgasm and it was fantastic, but… I still kind of wish I was pushing 16 days now instead.
I am relatively new to this whole thing so maybe I’m completely wrong and John might quite rightly say “‘You try going a year and then see if YOU want to cum!” and I have to concede he’d have a point.
Still, by all accounts it sounds like he doesn’t have a choice in when, or if. So I guess if I was in that position I would be taking whenever I was offered.
This is an excellent point, PeRob, and one I’ll address fully in a post – need to talk to Mr Mr and get his view on it first.
If the tension and need is so unimaginably enormous after a year (which I would bet my house it will be!), might not the hole left afterwards be equally cavernous? It would be interesting to know how John feels after one of your three month releases. Does the post-orgasmic feeling of emptiness increase proportionally with the length of denial?
This is what makes me question whether he will really want to give up the almost ‘high’ state of mind that I imagine he will be enjoying after so long. Especially as it will take so long to get back to where he was…
What if he doesn’t want to orgasm on Christmas or after.Will he have a forced orgasm.What if he wants to remain chaste for the rest of his life is that not taking away your power and your delicious enjoyment of that power.
That’s a good question, Femsup.
First, it’s my decision when he comes, just as it is when he doesn’t come.
Secondly, it’s moot in the sense that I think it’s highly unlikely I could not get him to the point where his objections magically disappear…
I like the way you put that.Just as its great to have the power to bind someone its just as much fun to have the power to unbind them.
Its a bit like the analogy of music being about silence and spaces between teh sound.
Well chastity and orgasms are the same.Orgasms are the punctuations between the longer more fruitful longing,aching and lusting periods of strictly enforced male chastity.
Whatever I’m sure you will play with his body like a fine instrument and make beautiful music together.